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bison
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Sep-05-05, 10:53 AM (EST) |
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"a new proof of the pythagorean theorem?"
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I wonder if the following could be considered a new proof of the Pythagorean theorem, or is it known? Starting with the familiar 3-4-5 right triangle, let each side serve as the base of an isosceles triangle, with height twice the base length. Divide the bases into their 3,4,and 5 units, and also divide the heights of the isosceles triangles into 3, 4, and 5 equal sections, respectively. Create smaller isosceles triangles within the larger by running lines from the base divisions and parallel to the sides of the large isosceles triangles as far as possible, within the triangles. There are 9 small triangles within the 3 unit base length isosceles triangle, 16 in the 4 unit base one, and 25 in the 5 unit base triangle. These all correspond to the squares of the sides of the right triangle. And, of course, the two smaller values add up to the larger. Michael W. |
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alexb
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Sep-05-05, 02:41 PM (EST) |
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1. "RE: a new proof of the pythagorean theorem?"
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>I wonder if the following could be considered a new proof of >the Pythagorean theorem, or is it known? ... or is it a proof, just in case. >Starting with >the familiar 3-4-5 right triangle, ... or any other Pythagorean triangle with integer sides, right? (But what if the sides are not integer?) >let each side serve as >the base of an isosceles triangle, with height twice the >base length. This is probably not necessary. Why do you care about the height? >Divide the bases into their 3,4,and 5 units, >and also divide the heights of the isosceles triangles into >3, 4, and 5 equal sections, respectively. Create >smaller isosceles triangles within the larger by running >lines from the base divisions and parallel to the sides of >the large isosceles triangles as far as possible, within the >triangles. There are 9 small triangles >within the 3 unit base length isosceles triangle, 16 in the >4 unit base one, and 25 in the 5 unit base triangle. These >all correspond to the squares of the sides of the right >triangle. And, of course, the two smaller values add up to >the larger. Right, but this is true because of the Pythagorean theorem. As far as I can see, nothing in your construction explains why this is so. |
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bison
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Sep-06-05, 08:36 AM (EST) |
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2. "RE: a new proof of the pythagorean theorem?"
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Alex, thanks for your response.It appears that the construction I described must be a statement of the theorem, not a proof. It'seems to serve the purpose of the often-seen 3-4-5 triangle with 9,16, and 25 square grids attached to its sides. As such, do you think it'sufficiently different from the familiar statement to be of interest? It seems to express area measurements as triangles, instead of squares or rectangles, which seems more usual. Incidently, this can be done with right triangles, as well as isosceles.In my last post I used the same isosceles triangles given me, and merely interpreted them in the likeliest conventional geometrical form. |
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alexb
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Sep-06-05, 08:43 AM (EST) |
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3. "RE: a new proof of the pythagorean theorem?"
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>It appears that the >construction I described must be a statement of the theorem, >not a proof. Right. >It'seems to serve the purpose of the often-seen >3-4-5 triangle with 9,16, and 25 square grids attached to >its sides. As such, do you think it'sufficiently different >from the familiar statement to be of interest? No, I do not. Have a look at https://www.cut-the-knot.org/Curriculum/Algebra/NSquared.shtml from which it is clear that the number of small triangles you'll get will always be the square of the number of units on a base. >It seems to >express area measurements as triangles, instead of squares >or rectangles, which seems more usual. As a matter of fact, Euclid VI.31 deals with arbitrary polygons formed on the sides of a right triangle, see https://www.cut-the-knot.org/pythagoras/euclid.shtml But more importantly, the Pythagorean proposition does not require integer sides!
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