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Bui Quang Tuan
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"Two Congruent Circles From Reflections"
 
   Dear All My Friends,
Given triangle ABC with incenter I and X is any other point.
Bi = reflection of B in AI
Bx = reflection of B in AX
Ci = reflection of C in AI
Cx = reflection of C in AX
Please prove that two circumcircles of BCiCx and CBiBx are congruent
Thank you and best regards,
Bui Quang Tuan


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  RE: Two Congruent Circles From Reflections alexbadmin Jan-29-08 1
     RE: Two Congruent Circles From Reflections Bui Quang Tuan Jan-30-08 2
         RE: Two Congruent Circles From Reflections alexbadmin Jan-30-08 3
             RE: Two Congruent Circles From Reflections Bui Quang Tuan Jan-30-08 4
                 RE: Two Congruent Circles From Reflections alexbadmin Jan-30-08 5
                     RE: Two Congruent Circles From Reflections Bui Quang Tuan Jan-31-08 6
         RE: Two Congruent Circles From Reflections Bui Quang Tuan Feb-03-08 7
             RE: Two Congruent Circles From Reflections Bui Quang Tuan Feb-03-08 8
                 RE: Two Congruent Circles From Reflections alexbadmin Feb-05-08 9
                     RE: Two Congruent Circles From Reflections Bui Quang Tuan Feb-12-08 10
                         RE: Two Congruent Circles From Reflections alexbadmin Feb-13-08 11

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alexbadmin
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Jan-29-08, 03:15 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Two Congruent Circles From Reflections"
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   It's a very nice, though simple, problem.

https://www.cut-the-knot.org/Curriculum/Geometry/TwoCirclesByReflection.shtml

Thank you


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Bui Quang Tuan
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2. "RE: Two Congruent Circles From Reflections"
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   Thank you for your kind words, nice webpage and proof.
Of course, we can also relect C, A in BI, BX and A, B in CI, CX to get total three pairs of congruent circles.
Suppose now La is a line connected centers of two congruent circles BCiCx and CBiBx. Similarly define Lb, Lc. Three lines La, Lb, Lc bound one triangle A'B'C'. I have checked following interesting results by complicated barycentrics calculations and still not found synthetic proof:
1. From almost wellknown triangle centers (Clark Kimberling's ETC) only X = orthocenter can make ABC and A'B'C' perspective, moreover in this case they are homothetic.
2. In this case (X = orthocenter) the homothetic center is Feuerbach point of ABC and also Feuerbach point of A'B'C'.
Please note that incenter and orthocenter are closely related with Feuerbach point.
May be it is difficult to find synthetic proof for (2) but I hope that some one can find it.
Best regards,
Bui Quang Tuan


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3. "RE: Two Congruent Circles From Reflections"
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   Almost certainly there are points, besides the orthocenter, that make triangles ABC and A'B'C' perspective. I do not know whether any of these qualifies as a triangle center, but they do appear to exist, see the attached file.

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4. "RE: Two Congruent Circles From Reflections"
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   Sorry that I explain not clearly.
By my calculations, the locus of X such that ABC and A'B'C' are perspective is union of line and two curves (may be infinite line, one cubic, one sextic). There are not any wellknown triangle center on the cubic and on the sextic there is only orthocenter. I am not sure because I left my calculations at home. I will check and send the results again when I come home).
I only want to note that orthocenter is only one wellknown triangle center (in Clark Kimberling's ETC) that makes ABC and A'B'C' perspective.
Thank you and best regards,
Bui Quang Tuan

>Almost certainly there are points, besides the orthocenter,
>that make triangles ABC and A'B'C' perspective. I do not
>know whether any of these qualifies as a triangle center,
>but they do appear to exist, see the attached file.


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5. "RE: Two Congruent Circles From Reflections"
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   That's OK. Do not waste your time. Personally, I would not know what to do with a sextic. Let's think of the orthocenter.


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6. "RE: Two Congruent Circles From Reflections"
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   >That's OK. Do not waste your time. Personally, I would not
>know what to do with a sextic. Let's think of the
>orthocenter.
Dear Alex,
I have checked again my calculations. In fact the locus of X such that ABC and A'B'C' are perspective is union of infinite line, one quintic and one sextic, not any cubic here. The orthocenter is on the sextic.
I am agreed with you that we should think of interesting orthocenter case now.
Best regards,
Bui Quang Tuan


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7. "RE: Two Congruent Circles From Reflections"
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   Dear Alex,
I see today interesting new CTK updated your site "Concyclic Points In A Triangle". In this site the result is P, Q, A', Ha are concyclic.
It bring to me idea to prove our result as following:
We alway use case X = orthocenter.
We denote two congruent circumcircles (Ba) = (BCxCi), (Ca) = (CBxBi) and (A1) is circumcirlce of PQA'Ha. Easy to show that BBaCaC is a parallelogram and A1 is center of this parallelogram. The line passing A1 and parallel with BC//BaCa of course is tangent line with nine point circle (N) at A1.
Therefore our result can be prove if three tangent lines with nine point circle at A1, B1, C1 bound one triangle homothetic with ABC at Feuerbach point.
Please note that A1 can be see as a midpoint of Arc A'Ha of nine point circle.
Maybe we can use some results in D. Grinberg's paper to prove it.
Best regards,
Bui Quang Tuan


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8. "RE: Two Congruent Circles From Reflections"
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   Dear Alex,
After reading D. Grinberg's paper (From Baltic Way to Feuerbach - a geometrical excursion, Mathematical Reflections 2, 2006) I think we can use theorem 10 in this paper to prove that "three tangent lines with nine point circle at A1, B1, C1 bound one triangle homothetic with ABC at Feuerbach point".
Theorem 10 states that:
"The point of tangency F of the incircle and the nine-point circle of triangle ABC is the homothetic center of the homothetic triangles A1B1C1 and XYZ"
A1 = center of circumcirles P, Q, A', Ha (your notations in latest site "Concyclic Points In A Triangle"). Similarly define B1, C1.
XYZ is intouch triangle.
Suppose three tangent lines with nine point circle at A1, B1, C1 bound one triangle A2B2C2.
From theorem 10: B1C1 // YZ and if A2 is intersection of two lines from B1, C1 and parallel with CA, AB respectively then A2B1C1 and AYZ are homothetic. By theorem 10, intersection of B1Y, C1Z is Feuerbach point therefore A2A also passes Feuerbach point. Similarly with B2B, C2C so our result is proved.
Best regards,
Bui Quang Tuan


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alexbadmin
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Feb-05-08, 09:42 AM (EST)
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9. "RE: Two Congruent Circles From Reflections"
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   I came through Darij's paper entirely by accident. And it always intersting how things come together from different sources and backgrounds.

Unfortunately, I should take a break from geometry matters.


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Bui Quang Tuan
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10. "RE: Two Congruent Circles From Reflections"
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   Our Lunar New Year "Tet Festival" also takes me a break from geometry for some days. Today I see that we can prove that "three tangent lines with nine point circle at A1, B1, C1 bound one triangle homothetic with ABC at Feuerbach point" without using theorem 10. In fact, it is very easy:
Suppose three tangent lines with nine point circle at A1, B1, C1 bound one triangle T then:
- T is homothetic with ABC
- T takes nine point circle of ABC as incircle.
From this, homothetic center of ABC and T must be homothetic center of incircle of ABC and incircle of T and this center is homothetic center of incircle of ABC and nine point circle of ABC and it is Feuerbach point.

There are also some easy facts when X is any point (not a orthocenter): two congruent circles from reflection (circumcircles of CBiBx and BCiCx) contain two interesting points:
1. Circumcircle of CBiBx contains incenter D of ACBx
2. Y = intersection of circumcircle of ACBx and AX (other than A), E = intersection of BBi and CY then circumcircle of CBiBx contains E.
So we have five concyclic points C, D, E, Bx, Bi. (similarly with circumcircle BCxXi).

Best regards,
Bui Quang Tuan


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11. "RE: Two Congruent Circles From Reflections"
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   Happy New Year to you then.

I was quite taken by those topics. I shall return to this shortly.

Alex


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