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Marie-Jo W.
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Dec-27-07, 01:04 PM (EST) |
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"Puzzle involving exponential"
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Dear Puzzle Friends, I am not a mathematician but just a math puzzle enthusiast... I placed a month ago an adaptation of an old math problem on my site, see text below: A high quality rubber band is fastened and hung from a horizontal pole with a cannonball at its end. Two facing ladybugs are crawling along this rubber band toward each other. From their respective starting positions (8 cm apart -- see image), each small beetle crawls toward the other at a speed of 1 cm per second. However, in the length of time each beetle crawls 1 cm, the cannonball, thanks to the force of gravity, stretches the rubber band an additional 8 cm. Will the poor ladybugs ever meet? And, if yes, when? If not, why?! (see the whole problem and solution at: https://www.archimedes-lab.org/monthly_puzzles_69.html ) My answer was that the beetles will meet after: ln(n) + 0.5772156649 + 1/2n ≈ 4 that is approximately after exp^3.422784336 ≈ 30.65464915 sec. But someone disagreed with me and posted a new solution: exp^4 - 1 = 53.598... sec. Who is right? I would be very happy if a math expert would help me to settle this problem. Thanks in advance for your help! Marie-Jo Waeber |
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Marie-Jo
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Dec-30-07, 01:08 PM (EST) |
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4. "RE: Puzzle involving exponential"
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>Beside the difference that arises in discretization process, >I believe the solution posted have some inconsistencies. And >at a first look in absence of tons of ingenuity like >Archimedes brain we must resort in calculus or to solve >numerically. > >If interested you can look the attach fileDear mpdlc, Thanks for your help... I had a look at your attached file and find it very complete. Can I post your answer on my site? I wonder, however, if there isn't a simpler way to help the visitors to understand the problem with clear step-by-step examples or references. My site is first of all intended for general interested people (puzzle math fans), I just want to put a 'spark' in the visitors' mind by giving them indications/information where to find the math tools to solve particular problems. The visitor should afterwards be able to understand and solve the problem by himself. Best wishes, Marie-Jo
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Pierre Charland
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Jan-19-08, 11:18 PM (EST) |
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7. "RE: Puzzle involving exponential"
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I have some references concerning a variation of this problem (one worm walking the length of a stretching rubber band). -- Martin Gardner, Time Travel, (The Rubber Rope, ch.9 #1 p.111) -- Martin Gardner, aha! Gotcha, (The Rubber Rope, p.145) -- Graham & Knuth & Pasternick, Concrete Mathematics 1st ed, (6.3 p.260; 9.49 p.479)
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