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Vatanden
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Oct-23-06, 06:37 AM (EST)
 
"Trying to understand the Blithe 12 proof"
 
   The Blithe 12 proof on this site (https://www.cut-the-knot.org/do_you_know/blithe12_proof.shtml) fascinates me, but there is one measly corner of the proof I don't understand.

I get step 1, that's easy enough. Step 2 I understand, aside from the fact that e=d^7. Why? As far as I can see (2 9)(5 10) is not the identity at all. And why do I need step 2 at all?

Step 3: I understand that lemma 1 tells us that we can transform any cycle (and therefore any transposition) into any other of equal length by simply conjugating with a suitable permutation g in S_n. Step 3 wants to conclude that A_12 is a subset of S because A_12 is generated by pairs of disjoint transpositions. Maybe I'm being stupid, but I don't see how we can use Lemma 1 (which is about cycles) on pairs of transpositions.

If we can, then we know that the permutation g that we want always is in S (the group generated by the three legal moves of the game) because step one shows us that we can always move any four counters into any four positions.

Thus, A_12 is a subset of S, and the rest is easy.

Please help me! I feel pretty close to closing all the gaps, but it's frustrating me that I don't see the significance of step 2 ( (2 9)(5 10) is a disjoint pair of transpositions, which obviously has something to do with things, but... what?)


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alexbadmin
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Oct-23-06, 11:35 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: Trying to understand the Blithe 12 proof"
In response to message #0
 
   >I get step 1, that's easy enough. Step 2 I understand, aside
>from the fact that e=d^7. Why?

The action of d can be described with 4 cycles:

(1 7 11 4 3 12 8)
(6)
(2 9)
(5 10).

Non-intersecting cycles commute, and we can consider them individually.

The first is a 7-cycle. It is identical after 7 applications:

(1 7 11 4 3 12 8)7 = Id.

The third and the fourth are 2-cycles, so that

(2 9)2 = (5 10)2 = Id.

Therefore

(2 9)7 = (2 9) and
(5 10)7 = (5 10).

> As far as I can see (2 9)(5 10)
> is not the identity at all.

No, of course it is not an identity.

> And why do I need step 2 at all?

I needed a sequence of moves that affects exactly four counters.

>Step 3: I understand that lemma 1 tells us that we can
>transform any cycle (and therefore any transposition) into
>any other of equal length by simply conjugating with a
>suitable permutation g in S_n. Step 3 wants to conclude that
>A_12 is a subset of S because A_12 is generated by pairs of
>disjoint transpositions. Maybe I'm being stupid, but I don't
>see how we can use Lemma 1 (which is about cycles) on pairs
>of transpositions.

For, say, two non-intersecting cycles c1 and c2,

g-1c1c2g = (g-1c1g)(g-1c2g)

so it is possible to apply Lemma 1 to each of the cycles separately. In particular, it works for a pair of non-intersecting transpositions.

>If we can, then we know that the permutation g that we want
>always is in S (the group generated by the three legal moves
>of the game) because step one shows us that we can always
>move any four counters into any four positions.
>
>Thus, A_12 is a subset of S, and the rest is easy.

Right.

>Please help me!

Is it any clearer now?

(I am glad you asked.)


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vatanden
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Oct-23-06, 12:46 PM (EST)
 
3. "RE: Trying to understand the Blithe 12 proof"
In response to message #2
 
   >>I get step 1, that's easy enough. Step 2 I understand, aside
>>from the fact that e=d^7. Why?
>> As far as I can see (2 9)(5 10)
>
>> is not the identity at all.
>
>No, of course it is not an identity.

There's the problem. I am completely brainwashed to always read the letter "e" as the identity element. I had no problem seeing that d^7 was the two transpositions. I simply couldn't see why (or how) d^7 all of a sudden was the identity element e. Duh. e is just the next letter of the alphabet to you, but it confused the hell outta me.

>g-1c1c2g =
>(g-1c1g)(g-1c2g)
>
>so it is possible to apply Lemma 1 to each of the cycles
>separately. In particular, it works for a pair of
>non-intersecting transpositions.

Of course, obvious now you show me :-P. So, we've built a pair of disjoint transpositions using our initial moves a, b and c. Now we apply Lemma 1 to see that we can make any other pair of disjoint transpositions (x y)(z w) simply by conjugating with the permutation which moves 2 to x, 9 to y, 5 to z and 10 to w. We know such a permutation is possible because of step 1. So, all pairs of disjoint
permutations are in the group generated by a, b and c.
By Lemma 2, then, A_12 is a subset of S, and the rest is easy.

Did I get it?

>Is it any clearer now?

Certainly is. It was that dastardly "e" that grinded my gears.

>(I am glad you asked.)

I am glad I asked, too. :-) Thanks!


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alexbadmin
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Oct-23-06, 12:55 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Trying to understand the Blithe 12 proof"
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   >There's the problem.

No longer. I have removed "e =". Why, I did not even use it. And since it was there it was natural for you to endow it with a meaning.

> but it confused the hell outta me.

Sorry about that.

>Did I get it?

Absolutely.

>I am glad I asked, too. :-) Thanks!

You are welcome.


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vatanden
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Oct-24-06, 05:50 AM (EST)
 
5. "RE: Trying to understand the Blithe 12 proof"
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   Thanks a lot for your help. I love it when a proof clicks in your mind.

Thanks for removing the "e", but that makes the line

"Indeed from 1. we can get any two non-intersecting transpositions (k l)(m n) starting with e "

even more confusing to anyone reading the proof. Better replace that e with d^7 as well. :-)


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alexbadmin
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Oct-24-06, 05:51 AM (EST)
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6. "RE: Trying to understand the Blithe 12 proof"
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   Missed it. Thank you.


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