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alan
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Feb-21-06, 06:53 PM (EST) |
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"trig values"
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I'm trying to figure out how to solve the 5th problem of the week from Purdue University (https://www.math.purdue.edu/pow/), and I can't find any information about it elsewhere. Does anyone know a process for finding an expression for sin(2pi/11), or in general sin(n*pi/d) for d prime, and not equal to 2, 3 or 5? Is this even possible? I assume that if it is possible it will be a complicated process, giving complicated results, but I'd still like to know what it is. I remember seeing something relating the values of trig functions to polynomials of degree d, for sin(pi/d). Any ideas? The problem I'm looking at asks to prove that the following expression is an integer: (tan(3pi/11) + 4sin(2pi/11))^2 I know that the expression is equal to 11, and I assume that isn't a coincidence, but I dont know how to relate tan(pi/11) to 11. I'm not trying to get credit for this problem, I'm just curious about how to approach it. |
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alan
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Feb-22-06, 06:30 PM (EST) |
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1. "RE: trig values"
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I came up with the idea of starting with identities and expanding them until every trig term is either a sine or a cosine, and I think I've answered my own question. I decided to try to find an expression for the value of sin(pi/7), the simplest angle that doesn't have a simple expression for its sine. I started with sin^2+cos^2=1, used cos(x) = sin(pi/2-x), and angle sum formulas, and eventually came to the result that sin(pi/14) is equal to the smallest positive root of 256x^10 - 640x^8 + 560x^6 - 204x^4 + 29x^2 - 1 = 0. Equivalently, it is equal to the square root of the first root of 256x^5 - 640x^4 + 560x^3 - 204x^2 + 29x - 1 = 0. The first thing I notice about that polynomial is that it is fifth degree, and therefore not necessarily solvable with radicals. Is this the reason that closed form expressions are never given for sin(pi/d), when d is composed only of prime numbers greater than 5? |
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alexb
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Feb-23-06, 00:36 AM (EST) |
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2. "RE: trig values"
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>The problem I'm looking at asks to prove that the following >expression is an integer: > >(tan(3pi/11) + 4sin(2pi/11))^2 > >I know that the expression is equal to 11, and I assume that >isn't a coincidence, but I dont know how to relate >tan(pi/11) to 11. I do not immediately see how to prove that but one thing I am certain of is that you do not have to look for a relationship between tan(pi/11) and 11. In all likelihood, it's a matter of using persistently some trig identities, like say (sin(3pi/11) + 4sin(2pi/11)cos(3pi/11))^2 = (sin(3pi/11) + 2sin(5pi/11) - 2sin(pi/11))^2 Then you square and again use either sin(a)sin(b) or sin(a)cos(b) or the third one. Probably, along the way, you may find that using sin(5pi/11) = sin(6pi/11) or something in this spirit will be of advantage. If you do not err, such a straightforward thing will likely lead to significant simplifications.
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H. Chen
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Aug-28-06, 04:42 PM (EST) |
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4. "RE: trig values"
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This is the question 98 in the book "The Red Book of Mathematical problems" by Kenneth Williams and Kenneth Hardy. The solution is on the page 98. It used complex numbers. You can find another similar solution in The College mathematics Journal(Problem 218, 14(1983), p 358). By the way, recently, this journal proposed two similar identities as Problem 831(37(2006), p308). |
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Pierre Charland
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Dec-29-06, 05:11 PM (EST) |
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5. "RE: trig values"
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I found this reference: https://mathworld.wolfram.com/TrigonometryAnglesPi11.html where they say: Trigonometric functions of n*pi/11 for n an integer cannot be expressed in terms of sums, products, and finite root extractions on real rational numbers because 11 is not a Fermat prime. However, exact expressions involving roots of complex numbers can still be derived using the multiple-angle formula (1) sin(n*alpha) = (-1)^((n-1)/2) * T_n(sin(alpha)) where T_n(x) is a Chebyshev polynomial of the first kind. Setting n=11 gives (2) sin(11*alpha) = sin(alpha)*(11-220*sin^2(alpha)+1232*sin^4(alpha)-2816*sin^6(alpha)+2816*sin^8(alpha)-1024*sin^10(alpha)). Letting alpha=pi/11 and x=sin^2(alpha) then gives sin(pi)=0=11-220x+1232x^2-2816x^3+2816x^4-1024x^5. etc.. (more in the reference) But there must be another way to solve the problem of the week.
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