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bitrak
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Jul-27-05, 07:40 AM (EST)
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   Have we proof that shortest distance between two points in the plan is a straight line AB or maybe this is axiom?Is it'same in the 3- dimensional space?


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alexbadmin
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Jul-27-05, 09:54 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: Shortest distance A-B"
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   >Have we proof that shortest distance between two points in
>the plan is a straight line AB

This is a tricky question.


  1. First off, the straight line by itself is not distance. Its length is.
  2. Second, when you say "shortest", what it is you compare it with? In common systems of axioms, the triangle inequality is proved. But,
  3. it takes means beyond plain geometry to define a curve, let alone its length.

>Is it
>same in the 3- dimensional space?

Yes.

In analytic geometry the triangle inquality is an algebraic fact. In more general spaces the triangle inequality is part and parcel of the definition of the distance function.


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teh win
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Aug-24-05, 07:40 PM (EST)
 
2. "RE: Shortest distance A-B"
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   It is possible (trivial, even) to almost prove this using the calculus of variations. Assume the euclidean distance metric, and assume that a "shortest distance" exists. Then a little bit of algebra yields an easily-solved differential equation. The problem is the assumption of existence. Calculus of variations can't justify it, and neither can I :)


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Graham C
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Sep-13-05, 02:03 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Shortest distance A-B"
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   I always thought the maxim, true or not, and pace Alex's point about a line not being a distance, was 'a straight line is the shortest distance between two points', not the other way around.

That would define a 'straight' line as the path with the shortest length. Otherwise, when you ask 'is the shortest distance between two points a straight line?' it raises the question of how you define 'straight'.


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alexbadmin
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4. "RE: Shortest distance A-B"
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   In fact, C. Pritchard's The Changing Shape of Geometry includes a note by J. H. Webb (Math Gazette 58 (June 1974), pp. 137-138) that traces the popular definition (a piece of mathematical jargon in general circulation) of a "straight line" as "the shortest distance" to a mistranslation Legendre's geometry text.

The orginal Legendre wording was, "La ligne droit est le plus court chemin d'un point à un autre."


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