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Fernando
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Apr-16-04, 10:25 PM (EST) |
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"Separation of Variables Method"
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In many physical and engineering problems invloving differential equations in a function F(x,y,z), we search the solutions by asuming that F(x,y,z) is of the form F(x,y,z)=X(x)Y(y)Z(z). But what I haven't read yet is the proof that all posible solutions are of this form. Does anyone know the proof? Thank you. |
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alexb
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Apr-16-04, 10:29 PM (EST) |
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1. "RE: Separation of Variables Method"
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>In many physical and engineering problems invloving >differential equations in a function F(x,y,z), we search the >solutions by asuming that F(x,y,z) is of the form > (*) F(x,y,z) = X(x)Y(y)Z(z). > >But what I haven't read yet is the proof that all posible >solutions are of this form. Does anyone know the proof? >There is none. Call a solution in the "separable" form (*) primitive. They often exist with some or all X, Y, Z from specific function families: trigonometric, exponential, and others. More general solutions are looked up as a combination - finite or infinite - of primitive solutions.
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Fernando
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Apr-17-04, 06:10 AM (EST) |
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2. "RE: Separation of Variables Method"
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Then, a doubt arises: as you confidently knows, in electrodynamics of guided media, we only study the primitives (*) solutions of waves(called "modes" which are "transversal magnetic TM, transversal electric TE and transversal electromagnetic TEM" and then we form combinations of these modes. What if there are others "modes" that we don't know about but which can actully arise? In other words, are the primitves (*) a complete set of solutions (in the mathematical sense of completeness)?. Can any solution be found as combination of primitives? If so, how is the proof? Thank you alexb. |
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alexb
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Apr-18-04, 08:43 AM (EST) |
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3. "RE: Separation of Variables Method"
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>Then, a doubt arises: as you confidently knows, in >electrodynamics of guided media, we only This is contradicted by what immediately follows >study the >primitives (*) solutions of waves(called "modes" which are >"transversal magnetic TM, transversal electric TE and >transversal electromagnetic TEM" and then we form >combinations of these modes. Right, this is exactly what I wrote. >What if there are others >"modes" that we don't know about but which can actully >arise?
Sure, but this is less important than the question whether a combination (in some sense) of the modes at hand is generic enough to produce all solutions in some range. >In other words, are the primitves (*) a complete set of >solutions (in the mathematical sense of completeness)?. First, this question differs from "whether there exist other modes?" Second, the answer to your question depends on the set of primitives, on the equation, domain, and boundary conditions. As it is, it is too general to have a unique answer. Third, of course wherever the method of combining the primitives is employed in classical problems, it is shown that such combinations span a broad class of solutions. >Can >any solution be found as combination of primitives? If so, >how is the proof? Again, this is too general a question. But, for example, wherever the border consists of a straight line, a half-line, or a segment, coordinates are are selected such that on the border the primitives take a simpler form, by say losing one of the factors. The remaining functions might serve as the basis of Fourier transform which would demonstrate completeness for a particular kind of boundary problems. |
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alexb
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Apr-18-04, 10:27 PM (EST) |
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5. "RE: Separation of Variables Method"
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>Then... the big question Do you know the proof in the case >of guided media and the different modes (TE, TM, TEM) >I think this is a small question, completely of no consequence. |
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