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rossnoe
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Mar-03-04, 06:56 PM (EST)
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"Composite question"
 
   I'm taking a number theory course to complete my undergraduate math degree. I want to know if my approach to solving this problem is correct:

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Question:
Show that if n is composite then there exists a prime p less than or equal to the square root of n such that p|n.(Hint: Consider what happens when 2 numbers greater than are multiplied).
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Answer:
p|n means that n/p = c and n = cp. c is some integer.

p less than or equal to the square root of n. therefore (p)^2 less than or equal to (the square root of n)^2 , hence p^2 less than or equal n, p^2 less than or equal cp, p less than or equal c

In the case where p = c
n = cp leads to n = c^2 and c = the square root of n. As stated above c is an integer so n is a perfect square.
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Composite question rossnoe Mar-03-04 TOP
  RE: Composite question alexb Mar-03-04 1
     RE: Composite question rossnoe Mar-04-04 2
         RE: Composite question alexb Mar-05-04 3
             RE: Composite question rossnoe Mar-08-04 4
                 RE: Composite question alexb Mar-08-04 6
  RE: Composite question Graham C Mar-11-04 7
     RE: Composite question Ralph Boles Mar-14-04 8

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alexb
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1. "RE: Composite question"
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   >I want to know if my approach to
>solving this problem is correct:

Hard to say. You do not not solve the problem.


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rossnoe
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Mar-04-04, 09:40 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Composite question"
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   >>I want to know if my approach to
>>solving this problem is correct:
>
>Hard to say. You do not not solve the problem.
Thanks for the response. I notice that the entire question is not there. Also I re-did it during my commute. I am including an image of the problem with my attempts to solve it.


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alexb
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3. "RE: Composite question"
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   >>>I want to know if my approach to
>>>solving this problem is correct:
>>
>>Hard to say. You do not not solve the problem.
>Thanks for the response. I notice that the entire question
>is not there. Also I re-did it during my commute. I am
>including an image of the problem with my attempts to solve
>it.
>
>>src="https://avalongold.com/ross/education/problem1.gif";]

Well, before you ask "How do we know ...?" some things are redundant, but not wrong. What follows after that question does not make sense. You seem to be doing things in reverse.


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4. "RE: Composite question"
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   Hmmmm. Can you be a bit more specific? What doesn't make sense?


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6. "RE: Composite question"
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   >Hmmmm. Can you be a bit more specific? What doesn't make
>sense?
Doing things in reverse.

You ask "How do we know that p ≤ √n?"

Then you start a derivation

"p ≤ √nn. Therefore, ..."

You make a derivation from something you have just asked about whether it's true or not. This does not make sense. "p ≤ √nn" is something you want to prove.



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Graham C
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7. "RE: Composite question"
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   It might help to recall the general rule that you can assume something in order to prove it false (reductio ad absurdum), but you cannot assume it in order to prove it true.


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Ralph Boles
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Mar-14-04, 06:54 AM (EST)
 
8. "RE: Composite question"
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   This is not hard. First assume that the statement is false i.e. that the prime factorization of n contains only primes larger than sqrt(n) and think about what that implies for n. Use the hint.


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