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Ian
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Feb-01-01, 08:04 PM (EST) |
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"reflection in a curve?"
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hi, all, im a 6th form further maths a-level student, and we've done loads about reflecting a line, (point, shape etc.) in a straight line, (eg. y=x), but im intrigued about how to reflect a line in a curve, (eg. y=x^2). i have a theory that you just draw a normal to the curve joining a series of points on the line being reflected, going equidistant to the other side of the curve. (i hope this makes sense, cos i'm predominantly a mathematician, and can't speak or write properly!) all the best ian |
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alexb
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Feb-02-01, 00:05 AM (EST) |
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1. "RE: reflection in a curve?"
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Right, this is what you do. From every point of your shape draw a perpendicular to the curve and extend it to twice its length. One question I have is the reason you would like to do that. If, for example, you wish to figure out your appearance in a crooked mirror, the construction will be different. All the best, Alexander Bogomolny |
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alexb
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Feb-02-01, 00:16 AM (EST) |
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2. "RE: reflection in a curve?"
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LAST EDITED ON Feb-02-01 AT 00:18 AM (EST) If I may modify my previous post, the situation is probably a little more complex than that. Instead of saying "Right, this is what you do," I should have said "You are within your rights to do that." Yours may not be the only possible definition of the reflection in a curve. The well known "reflection" in a circle is inversion. Two points P and Q are inversions of each other in a circle with center O and radius r iff the three points O, P, Q are colinear and OP·OQ = r2. |
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alexb
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Feb-04-01, 02:33 PM (EST) |
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4. "RE: reflection in a curve?"
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>Thanks for your help. i >can't really answer your question, >why i'd want to, i >guess it's just for completeness. > it annoys me when >i don't know how to >do something that interests me. What I asked was, "What is it you see in your mind's eye when you talk about those reflections?" The reason I asked was because there may be several kinds of reflections - that's all. >my problem now is how to find >the equation of the new >line. i realise this >is probably a bit too >much to go into easily, >but do you know where >i can find it out? > It's pure analytic geometry and/or some Calculus. The most essential part of you query is being able to find the point on a given curve nearest to a given point. Say, you are given a point (x0, y0) whose reflection in y = x2 you intend to find. You'll have to minimize the sqaure of the distance: d(x) = (x - x0)2 + (x2 - y0)2 Equate the derivative to 0 and see if you can solve the equation. If you can, assume x1 is a solution. Then the reflection point is given by (x, y) = 2(x1, y1) - (x0, y0) |
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Ian
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Mar-03-01, 07:21 PM (EST) |
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5. "RE: reflection in a curve?"
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hi alex, you're probably bored of me by now, but i've been thinking again. please could you see if this seems reasonable. i realise it's probably difficult to understand, without the graphs (sorry).consider the set of axis "y" against "f(x)". the line "y=f(x)" is a straight line through the origin. the line "y=x" is the inverse of f(x). i.e. "y=(f^-1)(f(x))". reflect this in the 'straight line' "y=f(x)" and you get "y=f(f(x))", i think this means that y=x reflected in y=f(x) gives y=ff(x)! i realise that there's a problem with,for example f(x)=x^2 but i know that this comes from the squaring. it can be solved by reflecting y=mod(x) im trying to do the same for y=g(x) reflected in y=f(x), but im not sure. at the moment i think its y=fg(-1)f(x). sorry to bother you again, but thanx for your help. none of my tutors bother to help me. thanx! |
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alexb
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Mar-03-01, 07:33 PM (EST) |
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6. "RE: reflection in a curve?"
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>consider the set of axis "y" >against "f(x)". The function f(x) must be monotone for that to make sense. > >the line "y=f(x)" is a straight >line through the origin. Yes. It's the first quadrant's diagonal. > >the line "y=x" is the inverse >of f(x). i.e. "y=(f^-1)(f(x))". Yes. >reflect this in the 'straight line' >"y=f(x)" and you get >"y=f(f(x))", i think Yes. That's true. >this means that y=x reflected in >y=f(x) gives y=ff(x)! That's right, but why the exclamation mark? >i realise that there's a problem >with,for example f(x)=x^2 but i >know that this comes from >the squaring. it can >be solved by reflecting y=mod(x) That I do not know. >sorry to bother you again, but >thanx for your help. >none of my tutors bother >to help me. So, what are they for?
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