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neat_maths
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Dec-15-05, 08:18 PM (EST) |
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"Squares and the Pythagorean Equation"
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It is fairly easy to prove that in the Pythagorean equation x^2 plus y^2 = z^2 i) all three x, y and z cannot be squares themselves. ii) both x and y cannot be squares themselves. Can anyone prove that only one of x, y and z can be a square, if any? take care kind regards JB |
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alan
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Dec-16-05, 07:10 AM (EST) |
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1. "RE: Squares and the Pythagorean Equation"
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At least one of the three can definitely be a square; just take any triple and scale it by a number that makes one of the three a square, like 9, 12, 15. As for proving that there can only be one square, the generating equations a = n^2 - m^2 b = 2nm c = n^2 + m^2 seem promising. I believe these equations generate all pythagorean triples for non-negative integer values of n and m. |
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neat_maths
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Dec-18-05, 08:41 PM (EST) |
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3. "RE: Squares and the Pythagorean Equation"
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I guess I should have said; Can anyone prove that in the Pythagorean equation i) x, y and z cannot all be squares ii) x and y cannot both be squares iii) x and z cannot both be squares iv) y and z cannot both be squares take care |
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JJ
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Dec-16-05, 07:10 AM (EST) |
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2. "RE: Squares and the Pythagorean Equation"
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<<Can anyone prove that only one of x, y and z can be a square, if any?>> Example : x=9 ; y=40 ; z=41 (3*3)*(3*3) + 40*40 = 41*41 More generally : given A and B any different odd numbers : x = (A*B)*(A*B) is square y = (A*A*A*A - B*B*B*B)/2 z = (A*A*A*A + B*B*B*B)/2 |
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neat_maths
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Dec-18-05, 08:41 PM (EST) |
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4. "RE: Squares and the Pythagorean Equation"
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yes but does that imply that y and z cannot be squares ? the same logic would apply for y exchanged with x as the square, but what about if z is a square? for example I think x=7, y=24 and z=25 is a pythagorean trio and z is a square take care |
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mr_homm
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Dec-19-05, 10:32 AM (EST) |
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8. "RE: Squares and the Pythagorean Equation"
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Hi, neat-maths, >Yes there is a similar non-result for x^4 - y^4 = z^2 as >well. > >take care Now you've given away the answer to your puzzle! This, together with alexb's response number 5 provide the complete solution. The fact mentioned by Alex takes care of x and y both being squares, and rearranging the variables and changing their names in the formula you gave here takes care of the x,z and y,z cases. Of course, if no two of them can be squares, it follows automatically that not all three can be squares. (Besides, the case where all three are squares is really a special case of Fermat's Last Theorem, which has for a long time been known to be true for exponent 4.) Thanks for an interesting question. --Stuart Anderson |
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