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Anthony
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Nov-18-05, 06:49 PM (EST)
 
"Holy cube"
 
   A cube with width ‘x’ has three circular holes cut from each face to the opposite face. The width of the circles is also x (assuming you could hold the corners in place whilst cutting the holes).
What is the volume left with respect to x?


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
Holy cube Anthony Nov-18-05 TOP
  RE: Holy cube JJ Nov-20-05 1
  RE: Holy cube JJ Nov-20-05 2
  RE: Holy cube JJ Nov-20-05 3
  RE: Holy cube alexb Nov-22-05 4
     RE: Holy cube JJ Nov-23-05 5
  RE: Holy cube mpdlc Dec-06-05 6
  RE: Holy cube Pierre Charland Dec-24-05 7
     RE: Holy cube alexb Dec-24-05 8
     RE: Holy cube mpdlc Dec-25-05 9

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JJ
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Nov-20-05, 03:43 PM (EST)
 
1. "RE: Holy cube"
In response to message #0
 
   The ratio (left volume)/(total volume of the cube) is :
= 1+sqrt(2)-(3*pi/4)
This result was obtained using 3D-integration. Sorry, writing here the proof should be too bulky.
Of course, I would send you the full document if you let me know your e-mail address.


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JJ
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Nov-20-05, 03:43 PM (EST)
 
2. "RE: Holy cube"
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   A + was missing :

= 1 + sqrt(2) - (3*pi/4)


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JJ
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Nov-20-05, 03:43 PM (EST)
 
3. "RE: Holy cube"
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   The signe "plus" always disappers.
Note that there is a "plus" between 1 and sqrt(2).


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alexb
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Nov-22-05, 10:14 AM (EST)
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4. "RE: Holy cube"
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   Let V1 be the volume of one cylinder inside the cube, V12 the volume of the intersection of two cylinders, and V123 the volume of the intersection of three cylinders. Then the volume V you seek is

V = 1 - 3V1 + 3V12 - V123

M. Gardner in The Unexpected Hanging ... shows how easily and without Calculus V12 can be shown to be 2/3, as was yet known to Archimedes. I believe the same method Gardner used to evaluate V12 can be applied to find V123.


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JJ
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Nov-23-05, 08:04 AM (EST)
 
5. "RE: Holy cube"
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   You write :
"I believe the same method Gardner used to evaluate V12 can be applied to find V123."

I don't think so. This part of the evaluation is more arduous. Up to now, I the only method I found effective is 3D-integration, leading to the final result :
Left volume = ( 1 + sqrt(2) - (3*pi/4) )*(x^3)
where (x^3) is the total volume of the cube.


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mpdlc
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Dec-06-05, 12:02 PM (EST)
 
6. "RE: Holy cube"
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   I think I can give you an engineer solution using just an integration, but it is not simple. To better visualize our quest for the holy cube volume we will proceed as follows.

1)We take four cubes imagine them glued together so they will form another cube which edge will measured two units with.

2)Now we bore all the holes in the four cubes. What it is left supposing the loose pieces fall apart is precisely a body which volume equal to the original holy cube.

3)Analyzing the mentioned body you will found it looks like 3D cross. The hub is a cube and the six arms are like six church steeples formed with four equal pieces of cylindrical roof tangent at the apex. So the volume requested will be the central cube plus the six steeples V2.

Obviously cutting the steeple orthogonally to its symmetry axis you get a square of variable section. Calling r the radius of the cylinders and z the distance measured from the apex. The side L of the square amount to L=2< r- SQRT (r^2 - z^2)>.

The area of the square section, which A(z), values:

A(z) = 4(r- SQRT(r^2-z^2))^2.

Then V2 =INTEG(A (z))
we must integrate z between 0 and SQRT(2)*r/2

That integration renders V2 = ((11*SQRT(2)/3)-2-pi)*r^3. since there are 6 steeples we must multiply V2 later by 6.


4)As for the volume of the central hub cube is obviously.

V1=(2r*(1-SQRT (2)/2))^3 or expanded (20 -14*SQRT(2))*r^3


5)The total volume will be V= V1+6*V2. which after a patient algebra manipulation will give us:

((8+8*SQRT(2))-6pi)*r^3

Which amounts the same result given by JJ since r is the half of x, width of the cube

The numerical value of this expression is 0.058019072 of the cube volume. Just as a verification I ran a Monte Carlo simulation, computing the fraction of randomly points which coordinates situated them simultaneously out of the boundaries of the three cylinders, with respect of the total points randomly considered. Results for several batches over 25.000 points validates our solution.

The only way I believe it can be solve this problem without calculus is either by Monte Carlo simulation or using Guldin theorem provide that in same time we can take from the books the formula for the center of gravity of a portion of circle between the apex and a plane levelled with the top of the cental hub cube... so in my opinion the best answer to solve this case is triple integration.


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Pierre Charland
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Dec-24-05, 12:59 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Holy cube"
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   To view those 3 intersecting cylinders,
check the following websit's:

https://astronomy.swin.edu.au/~pbourke/geometry/planelev/

https://astronomy.swin.edu.au/~pbourke/geometry/cylinders/

AlphaChapMtl


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alexb
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Dec-24-05, 11:18 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Holy cube"
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   Absolutely delightful links. Many thanks.


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mpdlc
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Dec-25-05, 08:31 AM (EST)
 
9. "RE: Holy cube"
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   Beautiful and outstanding images, even the second link which does not applly to our case, - since the body considered in there is an octahedron- it certainly give to us the oportunity and challenge to calculate the volume and surface of each one without having to stress our imagination.

Having said that the volume given for the holy cube in the first link

8 (2 - sqrt(2)) r3,

is innacurate just a mental calculation and viewing the images the volume the body, the volume it must be well over the 58% of the total volume of the original cube 8r3, and too much for the residual part.


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