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Angela
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Apr-23-05, 09:28 PM (EST)
 
"Analytic Geometry Proof"
 
   This question was given to us as a part of an assignment on Analytic geometry proofs. I then went in for help with it, and the teacher wasn't able to solve it. She then gave it to another teacher, who was also unable to solve it. She then promptly took it off of the assignment and said if anyone got it, she'd give them bonus marks.

So, would you get the bonus marks? :)

In triangle ABC, B = 90 degrees. A square is drawn on the hypotenuse AC and P is the centre of the square. Prove that angle PBC = 45 degrees.

This is how far I got:

/\
/ \
/ \ THis, of course, is supposed to represent a square,
/ \ sorry for the lame-o drawing
A / \
|\ p /
| \ /
| \ /
| \ /
|____\/
B C


let M be midpoint of AC
M = 1/2A + 1/2C
= (c/2, a/2)

If AM = BM = CM then triangle AMB = triangle BMC
_____________
|AM| = |c^2/4 +a^2/4
\|
_____________
|BM| = |c^2/4 +a^2/4
\|
_____________
|CM| = |c^2/4 =a^2/4
\|
therefore AM=BM=CM

but then I realized that this was faulty logic, because this only applies if it's an isosceles triangle. My teacher was trying to get it to be 1 over root 2 with trig identities, but wasn't able to get it. I'm just curious to see if it actually works out or if there's a problem with the question.

Thanks,
Ange
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alexb
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Apr-23-05, 10:25 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Analytic Geometry Proof"
In response to message #0
 
   >This question was given to us as a part of an assignment on
>Analytic geometry proofs. I then went in for help with it,
>and the teacher wasn't able to solve it. She then gave it
>to another teacher, who was also unable to solve it. She
>then promptly took it off of the assignment and said if
>anyone got it, she'd give them bonus marks.

If the story is true, you should probably seek a different school.

>So, would you get the bonus marks? :)
>
>In triangle ABC, B = 90 degrees. A square is drawn on the
>hypotenuse AC and P is the centre of the square. Prove that
>angle PBC = 45 degrees.
>
>This is how far I got:
>
> /\
> / \
> / \ THis, of course, is supposed to represent a
>square,
> / \ sorry for the lame-o drawing
>A / \
> |\ p /
> | \ /
> | \ /
> | \ /
> |____\/
>B C
>
>
>
>
>
>
>let M be midpoint of AC
>M = 1/2A + 1/2C
> = (c/2, a/2)
>
>If AM = BM = CM then triangle AMB = triangle BMC

No, this is incorrect. In any right triangle, AM = BM = CM, where M is the midpoint of hypotenuse.

>I'm just curious to see if it
>actually works out or if there's a problem with the
>question.

Since APC is also a right triangle,

AM = BM = PM.

So that A, B, C, P all lie on a circle with center M. AC is its diameter. P lies on the perpendicular to chord through its center.

The rest you must be able to do by yourself.


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Angela
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Apr-24-05, 10:55 AM (EST)
 
2. "RE: Analytic Geometry Proof"
In response to message #1
 
   >>This question was given to us as a part of an assignment on
>>Analytic geometry proofs. I then went in for help with it,
>>and the teacher wasn't able to solve it. She then gave it
>>to another teacher, who was also unable to solve it. She
>>then promptly took it off of the assignment and said if
>>anyone got it, she'd give them bonus marks.
>
>If the story is true, you should probably seek a different
>school.

This story is most definitely true. I go to an inner city school where only about 12 people per year go on to university. I have 6 people in my Geometry and Discrete Math course, and they're the same 6 that are in my physics course. If anyone else drops the course, the course is cancelled because they can't justify running it.

State of the world today, huh. Btw, you don't have to be so smarmy.

>
>
>Since APC is also a right triangle,
>
>AM = BM = PM.
>
>So that A, B, C, P all lie on a circle with center M. AC is
>its diameter. P lies on the perpendicular to chord through
>its center.
>
>The rest you must be able to do by yourself.

Thank you for your help,
Angela

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Cino Hilliard
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Apr-27-05, 06:49 PM (EST)
 
4. "RE: Analytic Geometry Proof"
In response to message #2
 
   >This story is most definitely true. I go to an inner city
>school where only about 12 people per year go on to
>university. I have 6 people in my Geometry and Discrete
>Math course, and they're the same 6 that are in my physics
>course. If anyone else drops the course, the course is
>cancelled because they can't justify running it.
>
>State of the world today, huh. Btw, you don't have to be so
>smarmy.
Good one Angela. I has to look it up.
>


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Mr Toad
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Apr-24-05, 11:34 AM (EST)
 
3. "RE: Analytic Geometry Proof"
In response to message #1
 
   Two teachers were unable to solve this? Astonishing.

There's actually a simple and elegant solution.

Hint: Check out the picture that accompanies Proof #4 of the Pythagorean Theorem on this site.

(https://www.cut-the-knot.org/pythagoras/index.shtml)


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MPC
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May-03-05, 08:37 PM (EST)
 
5. "RE: Analytic Geometry Proof"
In response to message #0
 
  

I just see your question and since is an old one probably you got the answer

Anyway I believe the following is what you are looking for

As you already found BM= AM= CM

What indeed means the point M lays always in a circumference centered on B and radius L if we call 2L the length of hypotenuse AC. That’s also means triangle BMC is isosceles and the sum of the angles u and w is 90

w + u = π / 2 ; u = π / 2 – w

Then coordinates for P are :

Xp = L cos w + L cos(π / 2 – w) = L< cos w + sin w >
Yp = L sin w + L sin (π / 2 – w) = L< sin w + cos w >

So Yp/ X p the slope of line OP is always equal one what means line OP forms an angle π / 4 to each of the axis.

This an analytical solution of course there are other more elegant using simple geometry.


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