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Kevin Fite
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Oct-18-03, 11:43 AM (EST)
 
"Great Middle School Word Problem"
 
   Mr. Howard asked 100 of his students who could play chess. Half of the boys said yes and two-thirds of the girls said yes. 17 of the boys said no. How many total students can play chess? Scroll down for the answer

Kevin Fite
www.mathbeyondtherealm.com
Detroit,MI

The answer is 61 because 17 boy said no which means 17 boys said yes because half the boys said yes. Since there are 34 boys, it has to be 66 girls and 2/3 of 66 is 44. And 44 + 17 is 61. Enjoy


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Great Middle School Problem Vladimir Oct-22-03 1
     RE: Great Middle School Problem Jason Oct-28-03 2
         RE: Great Middle School Problem Kevin Fite Nov-05-03 5
     RE: Great Middle School Problem Brian Steuer Nov-01-03 3
         RE: Great Middle School Problem Vladimir Nov-02-03 4
     RE: Great Middle School Problem amit Nov-12-03 6
     RE: Great Middle School Problem paul Nov-13-03 7
         RE: Great Middle School Problem Vladimir Nov-14-03 8

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Vladimir
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Oct-22-03, 00:00 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: Great Middle School Problem"
In response to message #0
 
   Nice little problem, even though the conditions are unrealistic. I used to play in low level chess tournaments and girls were very few, perhaps 1:100 or less. Still, we all admired those few who also loved the game.

I came across this nice little problem in San Francisco Bay Area Math Bowl competition:

Find the area of a trapezoid with sides of length 2, 3, 3 and 6, where the sides of length 3 and 6 are parallel. The answer is given as 4·Ö5, but I cannot get it - I am getting 6·Ö2. Might there be a typo? I tried to change the trapezoid sides to length of 4, 3, 3, and 6, sides of length 3 and 6 being parallel (3, 3, 3 and 6 would be trivial). This is a little bit harder, but then I get the area 6·Ö5 (2 typos?). Or suppose the trapezoid has the sides of length 2, 3, 3 and 5, sides of length 3 and 5 being parallel. This is still a notch harder and I get the area as 3·Ö7. Would anybody care to try?

Regards, Vladimir


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Jason
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Oct-28-03, 09:31 AM (EST)
 
2. "RE: Great Middle School Problem"
In response to message #1
 
   Kevin,

I tried to visit your site, https://www.mathbeyondtherealm.com/, but the link didn't work for me...

Jason


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Kevin Fite
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Nov-05-03, 09:28 PM (EST)
 
5. "RE: Great Middle School Problem"
In response to message #2
 
   Jason, I do apologize for the website not being up. We switched servers and was offline for a few days. We are up and running now so please go back out to www.mathbeyondtherealm.com and look at the site. The site is ran by my 7th and 8th graders. I would appreciated if you would sign the guestbook.

Kevin Fite
www.mathbeyondtherealm.com
Detroit,Mi


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Brian Steuer
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Nov-01-03, 01:50 AM (EST)
 
3. "RE: Great Middle School Problem"
In response to message #1
 
   I also get 6 * 2^.5:

The trapezoid can be broken into a rectangle of width 3 and height a, a triangle of hypotenuse 2, height a, and width b, and a triangle of hypotenuse 3, height a, and width c.

a^2 + b^2 = 2^2

a^2 + c^2 = 3^2

So, c^2 - b^2 = 3^2 - 2^2 = 5

Also, b + c + 3 = 6, so b + c = 3

c^2 - b^2 = (c - b) * (c + b) = (c - b) * 3

So, 3 * (c - b) = 5, c - b = 5/3

c + b = 3

2c = 3 + 5/3

c = 7/3

b = 2/3

a^2 + (2/3)^2 = 4

a^2 = 32/9, a = 4/3 * 2^.5

The area of the rectangle = 3 * a = 4 * 2^.5

The area of One triangle = .5 * a * b = 4/9 * 2^.5

The area of the other triangle = .5 * a * c = 14/3 * 2^.5

So, the area of the entire trapezoid = (4 + 4/9 + 14/9) * 2^.5 = 6 * 2^.5


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Vladimir
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Nov-02-03, 12:13 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Great Middle School Problem"
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   LAST EDITED ON Nov-04-03 AT 05:13 PM (EST)
 
Hello Brian,

Thank you, I am glad we are in agreement. (You have a typo in the last but one line, which you can always fix by editing your message, but the last line is correct). A sketch always helps:

Of course, you can calculate the area of a trapezoid with the sides of length 4, 3, 3, 6, sides of length 3 and 6 being parallel, in exactly the same way, it is not harder at all - I was wrong in this detail. But there is a little catch if the sides are of length 2, 3, 3, 5, sides of length 3 and 5 being parallel.

Possibly the simplest construction of the trapezoid ABCD (AB = 2, BC = 6, CD = 3, AD = 3, BC || AD) is as follows:

1. Draw a line segment BC of the length 6 units.

2. Draw 2 circles b and g centered at the points B and C and with radii 2 and 3 units, respectively.

3. Translate the circle b by AD = 3 units right (AD being the shorter parallel side of the trapezoid) into the circle b' centered at the point B' (such that BB' = AD = 3 and B' is on the line BC). The translated circle b' intersects the circle g at the point D.

4. Draw a parallel to the line BC through the point D. The parallel intersects the circle b at the point A.

Regards, Vladimir

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amit
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Nov-12-03, 03:31 PM (EST)
 
6. "RE: Great Middle School Problem"
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   height of trapezoid = sqrt(3*3 - 2*2) = sqrt(5)
now you can calculate the are of trapezoid = 4*sqrt(5)


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paul
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Nov-13-03, 08:42 PM (EST)
 
7. "RE: Great Middle School Problem"
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   no the answer is 4*root of 5...
u know the the sloping opposite sides are length 3.
breaking the trapeziod into a rectangle and 2 triangles, u can see that the base of each triangle is 2.
using pythagorean theorem to find the distance between the 2 parallel sides...
hypotenuse^2 = height^2 + base^2
3^2 = height^2 + 2^2
9 = height^2 + 4
thus,
height = root of (9-4)
= root 5.

area of rectangle = base x height
= 2 x root 5.

area of triangle = 1/2 x base x height
= 1/2 x 2 x root 5
= root 5

total area = triangle area + other triangle's area + rectangle's area
= root 5 + root 5 + 2 x root 5
= 2x root 5 + 2x root 5
= 4 x root 5.
:)


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Vladimir
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Nov-14-03, 07:47 AM (EST)
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8. "RE: Great Middle School Problem"
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   LAST EDITED ON Nov-23-03 AT 11:11 AM (EST)
 
Hello Amit and Paul,

The problem in San Francisco Bay Area Math Bowl competition is stated as follows:

Find the area of a trapezoid with the sides of length 2, 3, 3, and 6, where the sides of length 3 and 6 are parallel.

The given (and incorrect) solution is 4Ö5. The correct solution is 6Ö2, as Brian calculated above. You are both solving a slightly different problem:

Find the area of a trapezoid with the sides of length 3, 2, 3, and 6, where the sides of length 2 and 6 are parallel.

This makes the trapezoid isosceles, which simplifies the solution. The height of the trapezoid is now

h = AG = Ö(AB2 - BG2)

or

h = DH = Ö(CD2 - CH2)

Since the trapezoid is now isosceles,

BG = CH = (BC - AD)/2 = (6 - 2)/2 = 2

and the height is

h = Ö(32 - 22) = Ö5

The area then really is

A = (BC + AD)/2 · h = (6 + 2)/2 · Ö5 = 4Ö5

but it is solution of a different problem. Indeed, this probably identifies the typos in the original problem as given in the San Francisco Bay Area Math Bowl competition.
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Now, suppose that we have to find the area of a trapezoid with the sides of length 2, 3, 3, and 5, where the sides of length 3 and 5 are parallel. The little catch is that now the trapezoid has an obtuse angle at its longer base:

but the solution presented by Brian still works. Height of the trapezoid is

h = AG = Ö(AB2 - BG2)

and also

h = DH = Ö(CD2 - CH2)

Hence

AB2 - BG2 = CD2 - CH2
CH2 - BG2 = CD2 - AB2 = 32 - 22 = 9 - 4 = 5

On the other hand,

CH - BG = BC - AD = 5 - 3 = 2

We have

CH2 - BG2 = (CH + BG)·(CH - BG) = 5
CH - BG = 2

Therefore

CH + BG = 5/2
CH - BG = 2

Solving for CH and BG by adding and subtracting the 2 equations:

2·CH = 5/2 + 2 = 9/2
2·BG = 5/2 - 2 = 1/2

CH = 9/4
BG = 1/4

Calculating the trapezoid height:

h = Ö(AB2 - BG2) = Ö(22 - (1/4)2) = Ö(4 - 1/16) = Ö{(64 - 1)/16} = Ö(63/16) = 3/4·Ö7

Check by calculating the trapezoid height from the other equation for h:

h = Ö(CD2 - CH2) = Ö(32 - (9/4)2) = Ö(9 - 81/16) = Ö{(144 - 81)/16} = Ö(63/16) = 3/4·Ö7

as required. The area of the trapezoid is then

A = (BC + AD)/2 · h = (5 + 3)/2 · 3/4·Ö7 = 3Ö7
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Thank you all.

Regards, Vladimir

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