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cmdavidson
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Apr-01-02, 08:50 PM (EST)
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"A triangle puzzle"
 
   The object is to determine the length of a side of an equilateral triangle which contains a point within that is 3 units from one vertex, 4 units from another vertex and 5 units from the third vertex.

I believe there is a mathematic approach and a geometric approach. I would be interested in any feedback.

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Apr-02-02, 10:32 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: A triangle puzzle"
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   I get s = 6.4308.

I'm not sure if this is the easiest way to solve the puzzle, but it looks like it works. The sum of the three line segments extending from the vertices of an equilateral triangle to an interior point is 12 (= 3 units + 4 units + 5 units). If the point of intersection is shifted from inside the triangle to the mid-point of one of the sides, it can be said that the same three line segments (a, b, c) extending from the vertices now have lengths where a = h (height of the triangle), b = s/2 (half the side length), and c = s/2. Since the sum of the line segments is fixed at 12, h + s = 12.

Given an equilateral triangle, it is possible to express the height in terms of the side length in the following way. The height of the triangle corresponds to the line segment perpendicular to a side of the triangle which bisects that side (a line from a vertex to the mid-point of the opposite side). The height line bisects the equilateral triangle into two congruent right triangles with legs x = s/2, and y = h, and hypotenuse z = s. Since x2 + y2 = z2 it is therefore possible to express the height of the triangle in terms of its side length as h = sqrt(s2 - s2/4).

The sum of the line segments can now be written as s + sqrt(s2 - s2/4) = 12. Solve for s, and you get s = 6.4308. I'm not sure how to solve for s algebraically, or if it is even possible, so I just had my computer approximate s.


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alexbadmin
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Apr-02-02, 10:41 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: A triangle puzzle"
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   LAST EDITED ON Apr-02-02 AT 10:49 PM (EST)
 
https://www.cut-the-knot.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/forumctk.cgi?az=show_thread&forum=DCForumID3&om=147&omm=0&viewmode=threaded

On that page, there's another discussion on that same problem. A link to mathsoft.com is broken, though, as they have recently changed the layout of their site. Try this:

https://www.mathcad.com/library/LibraryContent/puzzles/soln15/soln15.shtml


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3. "RE: A triangle puzzle"
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   According to the web page referenced above, the triangle should have sides with a length of 6.7664, which is different from the answer I got (6.4308). Assuming the web page is correct, could you please point out the flaw in my approach to the problem?

I figure that either one (or both) of my assumption, s+h=12 or h=sqrt(s2-s2/4), is incorrect, but I'm at a loss to see how. Any help you can offer would be much appreciated. Thank you.


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alexbadmin
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4. "RE: A triangle puzzle"
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   >According to the web page referenced above, the triangle
>should have sides with a length of 6.7664, which is
>different from the answer I got (6.4308). Assuming the web
>page is correct, could you please point out the flaw in my
>approach to the problem?

Well, there's one at the beginning:

> If the point of intersection is shifted from inside the
> triangle to the mid-point of one of the sides,

This is an entirely different problem.

> it can be said that the same three line segments (a, b, c)

The same?

> extending from the vertices now have lengths
> where a = h (height of the triangle), b = s/2
>(half the side length), and c = s/2. Since the
> sum of the line segments is fixed at 12, h + s = 12.

How is it fixed? It does not make sense to call a constant a fixed number. For the latter, something must be changing, while the fixed number maintains its value. What is changing in the original problem?

> Given an equilateral triangle, it is possible
> to express the height in terms of the side
> length in the following way.

Absolutely. But it has nothing to do with the problem.


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