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Bui Quang Tuan
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Feb-10-10, 02:27 PM (EST) |
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"Concentric Circles In Crossing Circles"
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Two circles (O1), (O2) intersect each other at A, B. Two circles (Oa), (Ob) centered at any point O: (Oa) passing A, (Ob) passing B. Other than A: (Oa) intersects (O1), (O2) at A1, A2 respectively. Other than B: (Ob) intersects (O1), (O2) at B1, B2 respectively. Ra, Rb are radii of (Oa), (Ob) respectively.Please prove: 1. (Oa) cuts lines A1B1 and A2B2 at two equal segments. Similarly with (Ob). 2. A1A2/B1B2 = Ra/Rb |
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mpdlc
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Feb-11-10, 05:25 PM (EST) |
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1. "RE: Concentric Circles In Crossing Circles"
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Since the two circle are concentric Points B1, A1, A and B form an isosceles trapezoid being the parallel sides A1 A and B1B and analogically points B2, A2, A and B form another trapezoid sides B2B and AA2 paralell. Since sides AB is common to the two isosceles trapezoid, then A2B2 is equal length to side A1B1 and the ratio of chords A1A to B1B must be the same as the ratio of the two concentric circles.
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Bui Quang Tuan
Member since Jun-23-07
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Feb-23-10, 12:19 PM (EST) |
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9. "RE: Concentric Circles In Crossing Circles"
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>Could you please have a look at > >https://www.cut-the-knot.org/Curriculum/Geometry/CirclesOnPerpBisector.shtml > >and > >https://www.cut-the-knot.org/Curriculum/Geometry/ParallelToBase.shtml > >If there is a simple solution it escapes me. > >Thank you. Dear Alex, I think we can generalize the fact as following: Given two circles (O1), (O2) with two external tangent lines eT1, eT2 and two internal tangent lines iT1, iT2. The circle (O) is tangent with both (O1) and (O2). 1. Both internal tangent case: If (O) is internal tangent with (O1) and (O2) then (O) cuts two internal tangent lines iT1, iT2 at four points and there are two lines (each connected two from these four points) parallel with two external tangent lines eT1, eT2. 2. One internal, one external tangent case: If (O) is external tangent with (O1) and internal tangent with (O2) then (O) cuts two external tangent lines eT1, eT2 at four points and there are two lines (each connected two from these four points) parallel with two internal tangent lines iT1, iT2. I think you can express the facts in better ways. I stil not found proofs for these facts. Best regards, Bui Quang Tuan |
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alexb
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Feb-23-10, 04:01 PM (EST) |
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10. "RE: Concentric Circles In Crossing Circles"
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Dear Bui Quang Tuan: Thank you for looking into that. > I think we can generalize the fact as following You are very likely right. I still do not have any idea of how to approach these problems. All the best, Alex |
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mpdlc
Member since Mar-12-07
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Sep-22-10, 04:35 PM (EST) |
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11. "RE: Concentric Circles In Crossing Circles"
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Dear Alex, I submit to your always helpful review my approach to Mr. J. Marshall Unger Theorem, since we, the engineers, tend to be too much simplistic,... and sometime simplicity it can be deceiving. The approach It is based on Feuerbach Theorem and Inversion. https://www.cut-the-knot.org/Curriculum/Geometry/FeuerbachProof.shtml To clarify, I summarize the rationality of the attached sketch, somewhat untidy, my old CAD software it just like me, too old and ill fitted for Geometry. 1) We are given to circles ( I ) and (P) the two common exterior tangents concurrent at A 2) We draw just one of the other two common interior tangents to keep clear the drawing 3) We draw also a parallel to one of the interior tangent that will be tangent to circle (P). Using same notation we will call B and C the intersection of this parallel with the original exterior tangents. 4) So we end having the a triangle ABC in which ( I ) is the incircle, and we will have another Triangle AMN in which ( P ) will be its incircle 5) If we draw the Feuerbach circle for the AMN triangle. The resulting cicle will be tangent to circles ( I ) and (P) as per Feuerbach Theorem 6) Since Feuerbach circle cut the exterior tangent at midpoints of the sides AM and AN we called F1 and F2 line F1F2 is parallel to interior tangent MN. Unfortunately our drawn Feuerbach circle it is not tangent to the circles (I) (internally) and (P) (externally) but on the reverse. 7) To solve that we will made an inversion, taking A as the center of inversion and radius of inversion such, that the inversion circle cut orthogonally our Feuerbach circle, so it will remain unaltered. 8) Now after inversion circles ( I ) and (P) will became circles ( i ) an ( p ), which are well known homothetic to ( I ) and (P) with same homothecy ratio and center A. and will be both tangent to the unaltered Feuerbach circle. Therefore by the properties of the homothecy the new interior tangent mn which obviously remain parallel to F1F2 and to BC mpdlc |
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mpdlc
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Sep-23-10, 06:03 AM (EST) |
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13. "RE: Concentric Circles In Crossing Circles"
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Alex, I took from your reference link at the bottom post #8 of this subject. References 1. J. Marshall Unger, A new proof of a "hard but important" Sangaku problem, Forum Geometricorum, 10 (2010) 7--13. Anyway my proof I think need your always helping hand to fulfill the mathematics standards. |
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