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Bractals
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Aug-09-09, 10:58 PM (EST)
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"Steiner Construction"
 
   Given two parallel lines and a line segment.

Is it possible to construct the midpoint of the line segment using a straightedge only?


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Steiner Construction Bui Quang Tuan Aug-10-09 1
  RE: Steiner Construction Bui Quang Tuan Aug-10-09 2
     RE: Steiner Construction Bractals Aug-10-09 3
         RE: Steiner Construction alexbadmin Aug-10-09 4
             RE: Steiner Construction alexbadmin Aug-11-09 6
                 RE: Steiner Construction Bractals Aug-11-09 7
                     RE: Steiner Construction alexbadmin Aug-11-09 8

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Bui Quang Tuan
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Aug-10-09, 12:22 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Steiner Construction"
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   >Given two parallel lines and a line segment.
>
>Is it possible to construct the midpoint of the line segment
>using a straightedge only?

Dear Bractals,
I think it is possible. Here my construction:
Suppose we must construct M = midpoint of segment AB and L1//L2 are two parallel lines.

Choose P is any point
D = AB /\ L1
E = AB /\ L2
A' = PA /\ L1
A'' = PA /\ L2
B' = PB /\ L1
B'' = PB /\ L2
F = DA'' /\ EA'
G = A'B'' /\ A''B'
F1 = AF /\ L1
F2 = AF /\ L2
G1 = PG /\ L1
G2 = PG /\ L2
Q = AF /\ PG
R = F1G2 /\ F2G1
M = RQ /\ AB
M is midpoint of AB

Best regards,
Bui Quang Tuan


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Bui Quang Tuan
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2. "RE: Steiner Construction"
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   Dear Bractals and All My Friends,

I am very sorry, my construction in my previous message is wrong! Let's us to continue think about the problem.

Best regards,
Bui Quang Tuan


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Bractals
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Aug-10-09, 11:37 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Steiner Construction"
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   Dear Bui Quang Tuan,

Would it help if we replaced "line segment" with "chord of a circle with missing center"?

Note: If the circle had a center, then the Poncelet-Steiner theorem would guarantee a construction.

Regards,
Bractals


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4. "RE: Steiner Construction"
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   One thing I am sure of is that, under the circumstances, it would still be impossible to find the center of the circle.

According to a Russian book by Zeitel Geometry of Straightedge and Geometry Compass, the center of a circle could be found in the presence of additional shapes, in particular if there is a parallelogram. However, if there is a parallelogram, you do not need a circle to find the midpoint of a segment.


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6. "RE: Steiner Construction"
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   However, if the segement is a diameter of the circle then the construction is easy: draw two chords parallel to the given lines, find their midpoints, and then draw a line through the two of them.


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7. "RE: Steiner Construction"
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   >However, if the segement is a diameter of the circle then
>the construction is easy: draw two chords parallel to the
>given lines, find their midpoints, and then draw a line
>through the two of them.

>draw two chords parallel to the given lines

Could you expand on this construction.

>find their midpoints

That was the problem.


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alexbadmin
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8. "RE: Steiner Construction"
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   >> draw two chords parallel to the given lines
> Could you expand on this construction.

Given two parallel lines you can draw a line parallel to the two through any point.

Let P be the point. Draw a transversal through P to intersect the two lines in A and B, say. Let Q be a point on the transversal different from all the above. Draw a transversal through Q to intersect the two lines in C and D, respectively.

Let M = AD /\ BC,
Let N = QM /\ CP,
Let S = AN /\ CQ.

Then PS||BD.

You can perform this twice by choosing two points on the circle to get two parallel chords.

>> find their midpoints
> That was the problem.

No, the problem was to find the midpoint of a segment which apparently did not belong to either of the two parallel lines.

If the segment lies on one of the parallel lines (as is in the question of dividing in half two parallel chords) the construction is easy and is the most basic construction in the geometry of straightedge. (Repeat the construction above with Q = P. Then MP divides both AC and BD in half.)



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