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Subject: "Pigeonhole Principle Qn 43 - an error?"     Previous Topic | Next Topic
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Bernard Murphy
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Apr-20-11, 10:38 AM (EST)
 
"Pigeonhole Principle Qn 43 - an error?"
 
   'Prove that no seven distinct positive integers, not exceeding 24, can have sums of all subsets different.'

I think the solution given is of a weaker, rather than stronger, result. Here, I hope, is a proof of the proposition as stated.

Assume the numbers chosen are a<b<c<d<e<f<g

The maximum sum of 6 chosen numbers is 24+23+22+21+20+b=110+b and so the maximum sum which could be repeated is 109+b.

The smallest possible sum which could be repeated is 1+b since this could be equal to c.

Therefore there are at most 109 different totals but the number of subsets under consideration is 2^7-6=122 since each of {}, {a}, {b}, {b,c,d,e,f,g}, {a,c,d,e,f,g} and {a,b,c,d,e,f,g}cannot have the same sum as another set.

So there are 122 pigeons and only 109 pigeonholes.


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alexbadmin
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Apr-21-11, 10:49 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: Pigeonhole Principle Qn 43 - an error?"
In response to message #0
 
   >I think the solution given is of a weaker, rather than
>stronger, result. Here, I hope, is a proof of the
>proposition as stated.

Why? The problem asks to show there are repetitions. The proof shows that there repetitions even if the consideration is restricted to 4-element sets.

>
>Assume the numbers chosen are a<b<c<d<e<f<g
>
>The maximum sum of 6 chosen numbers is
>24+23+22+21+20+b=110+b and so the maximum sum which could be
>repeated is 109+b. >and 21 in our set but there is some slack so we can afford
>to be a bit wasteful and overlook that.]
>
>The smallest possible sum which could be repeated is 1+b
>since this could be equal to c.
>
>Therefore there are at most 109 different totals but the
>number of subsets under consideration is 2^7-6=122 since
>each of {}, {a}, {b}, {b,c,d,e,f,g}, {a,c,d,e,f,g} and
>{a,b,c,d,e,f,g}cannot have the same sum as another set.
>
>So there are 122 pigeons and only 109 pigeonholes.


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