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P.Tsiros
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Jan-19-11, 08:38 AM (EST)
 
"a generalized version of PT"
 
  

ABC: a right triangle

M: a point

Prove that A1+A2=A3 or that areas with same color have equal areas


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: a generalized version of PT alexbadmin Jan-20-11 1
     RE: a generalized version of PT P.Tsiros Jan-20-11 2
         RE: a generalized version of PT alexbadmin Jan-20-11 3
             RE: a generalized version of PT mr_homm Jan-21-11 4
                 RE: a generalized version of PT alexbadmin Jan-22-11 7
                     RE: a generalized version of PT alexbadmin Jan-22-11 9
             RE: a generalized version of PT P.Tsiros Jan-22-11 5
             RE: a generalized version of PT P.Tsiros Jan-22-11 6
                 RE: a generalized version of PT alexbadmin Jan-22-11 8
                     RE: a generalized version of PT P.Tsiros Jan-23-11 10
                         RE: a generalized version of PT P.Tsiros Jan-24-11 11
                         RE: a generalized version of PT alexbadmin Jan-24-11 12

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alexbadmin
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Jan-20-11, 12:24 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: a generalized version of PT"
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   Thank you for that. This is certainly a curiosity.

However, I do not exactly see how this implies the PT, except by taking M to coincide with C. If M is different from C and there is no derivation of the PT in that case, then the fact is a generalization of the "Pythagorean pants" or the "Bride's chair" diagram but not of the PT per se.

What do you say?


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P.Tsiros
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Jan-20-11, 06:09 PM (EST)
 
2. "RE: a generalized version of PT"
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   i agree that strictly is not a generalized PT.

here we have another part of the problem

ABCD a rectangular
M a point

Prove : FBHM - GMED = ACKI

actually the two problems says that

x' = cos(a)*x + sin(a)*y
y' = cos(a)*y - sin(a)*x

formulas of rotation of coordinates


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alexbadmin
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Jan-20-11, 06:18 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: a generalized version of PT"
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   How?

Here you need to help me. The previous one was simple by shear. Never thought of trigonometry.


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Jan-21-11, 07:38 AM (EST)
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4. "RE: a generalized version of PT"
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   Skewing and dissection does it. First, skew IAKC to I'AK'C where K' lies on line BC and I' lies on line AD. Then I'AK'C + DEGM +2 small triangles - 1 small triangle = ACD = ABC = FBHM + 2 small triangles - 1 small triangle. The small triangles in question are obvious and each has a congruent partner on the other side of the equation; hence they and cancel out. QED


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alexbadmin
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Jan-22-11, 07:50 AM (EST)
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7. "RE: a generalized version of PT"
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   Yes. Shear works here, too. I was concerned with the trigonometry.


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alexbadmin
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Jan-22-11, 08:42 AM (EST)
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9. "RE: a generalized version of PT"
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   On the other hand, I am stuck with another problem. In case you want to try your hand:

https://www.cut-the-knot.org/Curriculum/Geometry/CirclesInRegularPolygon.shtml


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P.Tsiros
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Jan-22-11, 07:38 AM (EST)
 
5. "RE: a generalized version of PT"
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in this scheme it is clear that we have two system of Cartesian coordinates.

in the two problems there is the same rectangular ABC - ACD and a point M.

in the second problem all we have to do is to prove that rectangulars with same color have equal areas

here is a hide


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P.Tsiros
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Jan-22-11, 07:38 AM (EST)
 
6. "RE: a generalized version of PT"
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   here we have a "walkthrough" for the first problem.

then

a1*a = b1*b + c1*c

a1 = b1 * b/a + c1 * c/a

a1 = b1*cos(C) + c1*sin(C)


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alexbadmin
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Jan-22-11, 08:32 AM (EST)
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8. "RE: a generalized version of PT"
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   It is interesting, but what is a rotation here? I mean, where on that diagram is the second coordinate system?


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P.Tsiros
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Jan-23-11, 04:15 PM (EST)
 
10. "RE: a generalized version of PT"
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   i agree that in this scheme it is not clear.

but if you try to see this triangle ABC as the ACD in the second problem, then there is no problem.

i forgot,

if the point M is on the hypotenuse then

for two similar right triangles with sides a1,b1,c1 and a2,b2,c2

where a1 and a2 are the hypotenuses we have

b1*b2 + c1*c2 = a1*a2


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P.Tsiros
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Jan-24-11, 00:10 AM (EST)
 
11. "RE: a generalized version of PT"
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   which is the same (using similatity)

c^2 = a^2 + b^2

c*c= a*a + b*b

k*c*c= k*a*a +k*b*b (k a positive number)

(k*c)*c = (k*a)*a + (k*b)*b

but k*a, k*b,k*c is a right triangle similar to a,b,c


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alexbadmin
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Jan-24-11, 00:13 AM (EST)
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12. "RE: a generalized version of PT"
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   Yes, this is #13:

https://www.cut-the-knot.org/pythagoras/index.shtml#13


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