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Zach Wegner
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Oct-05-02, 02:20 PM (EST)
 
"Monty Hall problem... again"
 
   There are two solutions that are suggested. Each solution depends upon the representation of data.

For 1/2-From contestants POV, without 'perfect information'-where the tree doesnt rely upon knowing the prize. All outcomes equally likely.
For 2/3-From MH POV, with perfect information. Different outcomes have different chance.

Thats why ALL the simulations show 2/3. No one thought of a simulation without perfect information. I made one, and it shows 1/2. It does this by choosing a picked door, then choosing a door to reveal. The prize is then picked, and it can have 2 places because it cant be in the revealed door. This goes along with if you have a 100 door problem, or say an n door problem. if you take away all but two, the probability of winning by switching is 99/100 or n-1/n. If you take away one, then it is 1/99, or 1/n-1. If you have 3 doors, taking away one and taking away all but two yields the same result, so the amount of doors opened doesnt matter. Which would the final probability be? n-1/n or 1/n-1? Of course, with this problem,
n-1/n = 2/3
1/n-1 = 1/2
If you say perfect information, then the number of doors able to open is either 1 or 2 (or n-1 and n-2, because you know if the prize was picked or not), and it gives 2/3.
If you say no perfect information, then the number of doors able to open is 2 (or n-1 because you dont know if the prize is unpicked or not), and it is 1/2.

Since the problem states that it is from the contestants POV, it is 1/2. I would like to see a counterexample. The perfect information seems to be in the mindset of all who say 2/3, and that is the flaw on their part.

Zach


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Monty Hall problem... again Zach Wegner Oct-05-02 TOP
   RE: Monty Hall problem... again Jack Wert Oct-06-02 1
      RE: Monty Hall problem... again Zach Wegner Oct-07-02 2
      RE: Monty Hall problem... again G Kossinets Oct-08-02 3
   Another unbeliever... again jman_red Oct-09-02 4
      RE: Another unbeliever... again Zach Wegner Oct-09-02 5
          RE: Another unbeliever... again Eric Shrader Oct-10-02 6
              RE: Another unbeliever... again Zach Wegner Oct-13-02 8
                  RE: Another unbeliever... again Eric Shrader Oct-14-02 10
                      RE: Another unbeliever... again Zach Wegner Oct-14-02 11
                  RE: think this way Hemulen Jan-02-04 13
                      RE: think this way Mark Huber Jan-06-04 16
          RE: Another unbeliever... again jman_red Oct-10-02 7
              RE: Another unbeliever... again Zach Wegner Oct-13-02 9
                  RE: Another unbeliever... again Whymme Nov-14-02 12
                      RE: Another unbeliever... again Rod H Jan-06-04 14
   RE: Monty Hall problem... again A physics nerd Jan-06-04 15
   RE: Monty Hall problem... again Graham C Jan-11-04 17
      RE: Monty Hall problem... again Jack Wert Jan-13-04 18
          RE: Monty Hall problem... again Graham C Jan-14-04 19
      RE: Monty Hall problem... again Jody Jan-20-04 20
          RE: Monty Hall problem... again Graham C Jan-22-04 21


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