#0, Mahavira's formula for cyclic quadrilaterals
Posted by melefthe on Apr-11-07 at 07:21 PM
Does anyone know the proof of Mahavira's formulae for the calculation of the inner diagonals of the cyclic quadrilaterals? Presumably, they must be a continuation of Ptolemy's theorem. They are:x=Sq.Root and symmetrically for y.
Thanks.
#1, RE: Mahavira's formula for cyclic quadrilaterals
Posted by Pierre Charland on May-11-07 at 06:40 AM
In response to message #0
I found a partial proof in
Howard Eves, Great Moments in Mathematics Before 1650, 10.5 p.108Let ABCD be a cyclic quadrilateral of diameter t.
Let BD=m and AC=n.
Let theta = the angle between either diagonal and the perpendicular upon the other.
Then, (using triangle's formula ab=2hR applied to DAB and DCB), we get
mt cos theta = ab+cd
nt cos theta = ad+bc
So m/n = (ab+cd)/(ad+bc)
Also mn = ac+bd (Ptolemy relation)
Multiplying those last 2 equations, we get:
m^2=(ab+cd)(ac+bd)/(ad+bc)
Dividing instead, we get:
n^2=(ac+bd)(ad+bc)/(ab+cd)
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I also found some info there:
http://www.pballew.net/cycquad.html
http://www.vias.org/comp_geometry/geom_quad_cyclic.html
http://www.answers.com/topic/mahavira-mathematician
#2, RE: Mahavira's formula for cyclic quadrilaterals
Posted by melefthe on May-19-07 at 03:49 PM
In response to message #1
I do not understand it unfortunately. What formula are you referring to? What quantity is m.t.cosČ ? Could you please explain?
#3, RE: Mahavira's formula for cyclic quadrilaterals
Posted by alexb on May-19-07 at 03:56 PM
In response to message #2
Have a look athttp://www.cut-the-knot.org/proofs/ptolemy.shtml#Mahavira
It's the same as Pierre's remark but perhas a little more detailed. What I want you to do is to make a diagram where you mark the angle theta and think of what cos(theta) signifies, OK?
#4, RE: Mahavira's formula for cyclic quadrilaterals
Posted by melefthe on May-20-07 at 10:28 AM
In response to message #3
Dear Alex,Sorry, still nothing! I do not understand anything! Are you sure there is not a flaw in the argument? I have a feeling there is. Could you please send me a diagram and an explanation? You may draw it by hand and fax it through at +30-210-7219225 if this is easier for you.
The formula is proven very easily by using the cosine rule.
m^2=b^2+c^2-2.b.c.cosC
=a^2+d^2-2.a.d.cosA=a^2+d^2-2.a.d.cos(180-C)=a^2+d^2+2.a.d.cosC
Multiply the first with ad and the second with bc, add them up and you will arrive at m^2=(ab+cd).(ac+bd)/(ad+bc)
I am really surprised. I do not understand what cosč signifies. There might be an error in the proof.
Have a bash at the probability question I posed. I think I have got an answer, it depends on what one is really asking. I look forward to see the replies.
#5, RE: Mahavira's formula for cyclic quadrilaterals
Posted by alexb on May-20-07 at 04:59 PM
In response to message #4
ab = hR - can you verify that? It says that in a triangle the product of two sides equals the product of the diameter circumscribed circle and the altitude to the third side.
In a quadrilateral, you have two pairs of triangles sharing a base (the third side in 1). Bases are the diagonals of the quadrilateral. Consider one pair at a time, say, ab = ht and cd = gt, where h is the altitude to from the ab vertex to the diagonal m, I belive. g is the altitude from the cd vertex to the sam diagonal.
Each of these triangles contains a piece of the diagonal n which plays the hypotenuse, one in a triangle with side h, the other in a triangle with side g. The triangles are similar. You can write
h = cos(theta)×(one piece) and
g = cos(theta)×(the other piece).
On summing up you get
h + g = cos(theta)·n
Thus adding ab = ht and cd = gt gives you
nt·cos(theta) = ab + cd.
Sorry if I confused m and n.
#6, RE: Mahavira's formula for cyclic quadrilaterals
Posted by Pierre Charland on May-27-07 at 06:43 PM
In response to message #2
sorry for my late reply,
the angle theta is the angle between either diagonal and the perpendicular upon the other.
Four of them are marked is the included image.